I'm opening up my options for a new DD.

"OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars" (jakeauern)
07/09/2017 at 17:14 • Filed to: None

Test drove a WRX today and really liked it. Any reason I should definitely consider one more/avoid it? Also is the hatchback worth it over the sedan? Anything I should watch out for? Is the STI worth the extra money? Do I need this in Rally Blue with gold wheels? Do I need to still consider the BRZ/FRS/86? So many questions.

DISCUSSION (82)

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 17:17

You need a new DD? You need four cars now?!?!

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
07/09/2017 at 17:19

We only have 2, the RX and the LS. I want a manual to drive daily since my job is 8 minutes and I don’t have to traffic.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 17:20

Just be honest: you want a DD because you want a new toy

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 17:20

Subaru long term reliability is very no bueno.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 17:25

Are you looking at the previous generation or a ‘15+?

dogisbadob > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 17:25

buying new or used? What’s your budget?

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > dogisbadob
07/09/2017 at 17:26

Probably used and 20-25k maybe.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
07/09/2017 at 17:27

Welllll yes. But also 313k kind of scares me sometimes.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com
07/09/2017 at 17:27

12-15 maybe?

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/09/2017 at 17:27

Should I concerned about the FRS even?

PS9 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/09/2017 at 17:29

That’s a real shame. I was really hoping for scooby to let me get Audi AWD and power without Audi reliability in a few years, but I guess even in Japan, that’s a package deal :(

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 17:34

Gotcha. Hatch commands a premium because there isn’t one anymore. That may change if the next generation has a hatch. EJ motor means they are reasonably well sorted. Stay away from mods and it will be OK but typical turbo Subaru problems will set in eventually. Personally I’d go with the hatch that generation. The sedan doesn’t have the huge trunk of the ‘15+ and personally I think the hatch looks better. I would check with your insurance company before looking at an STi.... I’ve heard they are pretty expensive to insure. Just anecdotal but that could add even more to the price.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 17:34

I don’t know about that.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com
07/09/2017 at 17:38

Hmmmmm. I think my mods are going to be limited to Exhaust, blowoff valve, and maybe a light tune. Nothing over the top.

AestheticsInMotion > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 17:51

Sti is head and shoulders above the wrx in terms of capability on and off road. Quite a bit more fun as well. But a low mileage used one in good shape commands basically the same price as new, at least around Seattle.

If you’re planning on building it up slightly, grab the wrx in limited trim.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > AestheticsInMotion
07/09/2017 at 17:52

I would be doing an exhaust, short shift, minor tune, intervooler, and a blowoff valve for fun pssshhh noises

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/09/2017 at 17:58

HMmm. My mods would be a tune, short shift, exhaust, and a header.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 18:06

Wrong.

Get a GTI. Or used Golf R.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 18:08

Why you no FoST?

Want to drive my stage 3?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 18:09

It might be good, it might not. I’d get a Boostang before I got an 86. I just wasn’t overly impressed with them, which is why I went ST.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/09/2017 at 18:11

My brand loyalty and “should’ve had a V8 jokes” are keeping me away from the Pony Cars

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet
07/09/2017 at 18:12

I like AWD or RWD and Toyota is the big but the FoST engine going kaboom scares me a good bit.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet
07/09/2017 at 18:13

But driving the Stage 3 sounds good to me haha. I do want to see how that car moves.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
07/09/2017 at 18:14

Never ever ever never ever ever ever will I ever own a VW.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 18:15

Did a VW touch you inappropriately or something?

My GTI has been just fine. And the Golf R is really, really damn good.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
07/09/2017 at 18:16

I bet they drive fantastic but our local VW dealer is some sort of awful and I’ve seen how VW works. One of the few brands my parents will not even touch. And we’ll work on Alfas if that tells you anything.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 18:22

Then get a V8. But the Boostang is significantly better than the 86.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 18:23

My local dealer is horrid as well. Thankfully I haven’t needed to visit them much.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/09/2017 at 18:23

I know it is... ugg. I just can’t bring myself to own a ford because reasons.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
07/09/2017 at 18:41

Yeah I’m even keeping away from BMW. It’s just a thing. I can’t pinpoint exactly why.

Discerning > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/09/2017 at 18:45

Having driven both, I would not agree that the boostang is better than the 86. Two very different machines. Boostang feels bloated and huge in comparison to the 86. Some people don’t want that sort of experience.

The boostang weighs nearly a thousand pounds more than an 86 and some people prefer light and agile cars over something as big as the boostang.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 18:47

If you lived close I’d let you drive mine as a form of therapy.

I felt the same as you until I drove a friend’s ‘poverty-spec’ launch edition Golf. He had put VWR springs on it with a nice set of wheels and tires. Loved it. Bought my GTI shortly afterward. Friend had to one-up me and got a Golf R.

The Golf R is seriously one of the best cars you can buy right now.

camarov6rs > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 19:07

Having sat in a previous gen sedan I can safely say that it was one of the worst interiors I’ve ever sat in. The 15 base car is orders of magnitude better. My personal opinion is that I can’t fathom why anyone would willingly drive one on a daily basis.

marshknute > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 19:13

Wow, that’s my old WRX and my (parent’s) house in the background!

I still have those exact wheels in storage wearing nearly new Pilot Supersports if you’re interested (will sell for stupid cheap just so I get rid of them).

Kinja'd!!!

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/09/2017 at 19:16

The 8 Subarus my family has owned have all been bulletproof.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > marshknute
07/09/2017 at 19:26

Hahahahah I’m dead. Literally pulled that off of google because I was waiting for my wife to finish trying on new scrubs. Photcreds to you. How did you like your WRX?

hike > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/09/2017 at 19:26

Really? What’s the big issue with them? I always thought Subaru made a solid car.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > camarov6rs
07/09/2017 at 19:28

I didn’t think it was bad so maybe it was a newer one I drove.

AestheticsInMotion > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 19:28

This sounds like good wrx goals. And f you ever wanted to you could turn the “minor tune” up a bit and dust Sti’s without spending too much!

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
07/09/2017 at 19:28

Yeah I get that. VW just makes me so mad lol. I did see a Golf r the other day though and thought it was pretty understated.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > AestheticsInMotion
07/09/2017 at 19:30

That’s what I thought. Is there anything I could do to prolong Turbo life?

AestheticsInMotion > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 19:33

Prayer and timely maintenance

WhereAreMyPants > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/09/2017 at 19:33

That is simply astonishingly untrue.

Yes, if you have a turbo Scooby and don’t maintain it, there’s potential for issues, but in general the brand is rock solid.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > AestheticsInMotion
07/09/2017 at 19:36

Ugg. My dad said Change oil more often then they tell you and let it sit after driving harder. Anything mechanically?

marshknute > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 19:50

Fantastic daily driver, fantastic autocross weapon, terrible track day toy.

When you peg the single-scroll turbo at full tilt on a racetrack, it overboosts and engages the fuel cutoff for 5-10 seconds. It takes 2-3 hard laps for it to overboosting, but it will happen on every straightaway until you exit the track. Subaru is aware of the problem, but knows that’s it only occurs on a racetrack, so they refuse to help. It can apparently be fixed easily with a quick tune, but that voids the warranty. I suspect this is the #1 reason why Subaru refuses to build a turbo BRZ, since they know it will be a disaster of C7 Z06 proportions.

All that said, if I wasn’t tracking it, I would still own it. Best DD I’ve ever owned and zero issues at autocross. And when it wasn’t overboosting, it punched well above its weight class against the Porsche’s I do HPDE with.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > marshknute
07/09/2017 at 19:53

Did you ever have any quality/reliability problems? I probably won’t track it anyways and I’ll be buying used so no warranty problems but the DD and costing me more then it needs to is what worries me.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 20:04

I’m worried that won’t get you a lot of used WRX. I don’t know what prices are like down in 10-U-SEE, but up here, used WRXs and STIs are along the lines of Tacomas, as in. “May as well just buy a new one because damn these suckers are expensive used.”

AestheticsInMotion > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 20:08

Honestly you’d be better off asking someone else. I’ve got a ton of seat time, from trackdays to rallys, but the only Subaru I’ve owned is an 08 Outback. For what it’s worth my friends with wrx’s and Sti’s don’t seem to have many issues driving hard with mods, but they’re all much better than the average gearhead in terms of mechanical ability.

As a *former* Subaru salesman one told me, “leaking oil is a feature with a Subaru, not a problem”. So maybe keep a quart in the back....

marshknute > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 20:09

Zero quality issues. It was brand new, so that shouldn’t surprise me, but I did track it, so I guess that counts for something.

My buddy also has a 15' WRX (base) and it has been completely trouble free for the 2 years he’s been dailying it. He’s now on his 3rd WRX (2002, 2004, and 2015), and swears by them.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > marshknute
07/09/2017 at 20:22

Hmm.... I’m starting to like this option more.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
07/09/2017 at 20:29

I don’t think it’s *as* bad but that’s also fine because in a few years I can move it out for comparable.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 20:42

You’ve got a lot of questions answered already so I’ll just chime in for things I haven’t seen yet. The STI is only worth the extra money if you plan on tracking it, or being competitive with it. The EJ comes on all STIs until possibly 2021, is more receptive to mods than the FA (more parts, higher knowledge base) but it also comes with a stronger 6 speed, mechanical diffs, the DCCD, bigger wheels, brakes, that sort of thing, but that stuff, stock, wouldn’t really help you on the street. Also, if you don’t mod it, the EJ system is behind technologically despite Subaru’s constant fiddling and gets terrible mpg.
They don’t make hatches for this generation of WRX/STI, so you’d be getting a previous gen, which honestly has a poorer interior. I like the interior in the new ones by comparison (Had a stock ‘11 STI.)

I think a WRX is a better daily than the BR-Z, but my coworker loves his BR-Z, so you should frame that in the context of personal utility.

I had two Subarus and loved them, but I wound up going a different route after I gave those up, so if you can tolerate the ride for the same price you can get a high mileage 08 IS-F, but keep in mind there is little tuning market for those.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > WhereAreMyPants
07/09/2017 at 21:08

Except for the excessive oil consumption, head gaskets, bearing issues, ring land issues, etc. that are still plagueing the brand.

DasWauto > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 21:08

Highly recommend a WRX and I can second the accolades on its AutoX potential. I took an overall PAX win in mine today. :)

I would recommend buying new if you can. Used values are high and for the cost you may as well have the full benefits of the warranty. I bought a base ‘17, no regrets.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > hike
07/09/2017 at 21:09

Google Subaru engine issues, they are currently under fire for excessive oil burning, and have a worst history than that.

camarov6rs > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 21:30

I sat in a 2012 and to me you’d really have to want a WRX to own it. I can see having it as a fun 2nd car or something you’re going to strip down (it’s already half way there). However as a daily I couldn’t help choosing something else.

WhereAreMyPants > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/09/2017 at 21:37

And all of which are related to users delaying maintenance.

If you maintain your car, and don’t modify it to within an inch of exploding, Subarus are fantastically reliable.

WhereAreMyPants > hike
07/09/2017 at 21:40

They do. There are oil-related issues, if you don’t take care of the car, but otherwise, they’re consistently solid.

WhereAreMyPants > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/09/2017 at 21:44

Google “[insert car brand here] engine issues” and you’ll find all sorts of horror stories for literally every brand.

The third result for “Toyota engine issues” is excessive oil consumption. Search engine results alone do not count as proof of anything, other than that most internet capable car owners are morons. Hell, you could probably remove the internet part and it’ll still be true.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > camarov6rs
07/09/2017 at 21:57

It’ll be my DD soo hmmm.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > DasWauto
07/09/2017 at 21:58

Yeah I’m in the 25k range so I don’t know if I can go new so I maaay have to go FRS/BRZ. Hmmm.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
07/09/2017 at 22:00

Yeah I love the idea of getting an IS-F but my biggest problem right now is another higher mileage car. I think I could be able to swing a 15 WRX by the time I’m ready but I’m not sure about the engine. Which engine is in these WRX?

TheRealBicycleBuck > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 22:45

I picked a ‘14 WRX hatchback after driving it and an STI sedan. The ride in the STI was just too rough, especially for the kids in the back.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > TheRealBicycleBuck
07/09/2017 at 22:50

That’s a really good argument for the WRX. I thought it rode nice on both the side streets and the interstate which is important coming from a Lexus LS.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 23:26

Hunh? EcoBoost going kaboom? Have not seen that on the forums unless they overbuilt the top end without redoing internals.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 23:27

Hehe, need to set it up soon.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 23:29

Up to and including 2014 they had the EJ255 vs the EJ257 in the STI. 2015 they went to the FA20DIT, which has direct injection but not port injection. With only direct injection there tends to be carbon coking on the back of the valves (most DI engines suffer from some level of this) so you may want to think about about a AOS or catch can to arrest the buildup. But otherwise the engine peak torque comes up early and for real world stop and start power it’s strong.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
07/09/2017 at 23:31

What does the WRX have? I think that’s what I’m lenakng toward because softer ride is more important to me and I can easily get 300hp out of a WRX if I need it.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet
07/09/2017 at 23:33

I’ve seen one FoST go kaboom but turbos still kind of scare me, even on the subarus which have been using them for decades it feels like.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet
07/09/2017 at 23:34

I think you drive past my house or at least used to on McEwen every day. Super easy to get into Cool Springs.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 23:45

To clarify, the 2015 WRX has the FA20DIT. 2014 and previous years 2014 and down the WRXes were on the VF47 turbo-ed EJ255 powertrain, with the glass-like 5 speed trans. I haven’t checked on the suspensions on the current gen WRX yet.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
07/09/2017 at 23:46

So since you seam to know them, would you recommend the WRX or make the play for the STI or screw both and get the BRZ with headers, an exhaust, and a tune?

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/09/2017 at 23:54

Generally overall I recommend the WRX. I recommended one to a friend of mine when he went to get something newer than his 2005 G35 and he’s been happy with it. Adult size back seats, good amenities, and (I’ve been told) that the stock block is welcoming of up to about 350 crank hp, depending on E85 and other factors/parts and the cleverness of your tuner.

I have another friend with a BR-Z with headers exhaust and e85 tune and he’s basically making stock WRX-ish power at the wheels and he’s very happy with the handling, but he has a separate car for family runs. But that setup definitely cost him as much as a regular WRX would run anyway. Given, you do sit lower and there’s more driver involvement, but the BR-Z’s acceleration is anemic in stock form and it’s not very practical, just better at kicking the rears out in the turns.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
07/09/2017 at 23:58

Luckily I’ll be able to keep the LS400 and the wife has the RX350 so carrying capacity is not my biggest worry. I feel like the BRZ is eigt but the WRX is so very tempting. Ugh.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/10/2017 at 00:16

Yeah, I drove AWD for half a decade and I went RWD instead, so I can push the rear out if I wanted to. To further muddy the waters for you, the WRX seems to also come with the brake vectoring feature like the Focus ST does. It brakes the inner wheel during turns to pull the chassis in line. It’s disable-able, but I think you wind up turning off the traction or stability control at the same time. (I hate all the clever names each company uses for these features. I always disabled all of them when I drove my STI.)

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2713256

Previous gen WRXes and current gen MANUAL WRxes do a 50/50 torque split with a viscous coupling center diff. For some reason, the CVT version of the 2015 has a 45/55 Front/Rear split, I’m not sure why. Obviously the BR-Z would be 0/100.

Keep in mind that from the factory both BR-Z and WRX are tuned to push a little at the limit - that’s so any inept drivers don’t wind up facing a oversteer situation they can’t handle. New sway bars/tires/springs/the usual suspension stuff will change both of their demeanors. If you get a BR-Z and it comes with the stock tires, get rid of them. They’re Prius tires - low resistance - and meant to help drift at 30mph.

The amenities between both Subarus are pretty equal, but the WRX wins out very slightly for interior comfort butt-feels and the BR-Z does slightly better in mpg.

http://www.rightfootdown.com/cars/reviews/brz-vs-wrx-what-would-i-get-today/

I think the bottom line is, if you buy a BR-Z, you’re going to be fine, but you’re going to want to mod it immediately. The WRX you can drive daily and have fun with it without modding it, but the option is there, and both (especially if the BR-Z Limited package comes into play, which adds all the interior goodies) seem to be at pretty much the same price, which is the big kicker for me. Neither are track ready in OEM form.

I’d say test drive both and see which one your hands and butt likes more.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
07/10/2017 at 00:32

I’m so split I think I’m going to have to go to Subaru and test them back to back and then let the wife decide based on what she can deal with me having the most. At this point I’m good with either. Like you said, the BRZ will get modded quick and probably cost the same as an equivalent WRX so I Golf to giver her the option so I can jokingly blame it all on her later haha

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/10/2017 at 01:53

As a fellow husband, I approve of this method, haha

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/10/2017 at 04:47

Oh I forgot to tell you we sold our house and moved next to the factory and downtown Franklin

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/10/2017 at 05:00

Filed to r/irrational thoughts

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/10/2017 at 09:34

I’ve got an ‘07 STi from new that has been awesome for me. The only issues that I’ve had:
- regret buying dark grey instead of WR blue
- replace secondary air valve
- replace sparkplugs and one coil
- ... that’s it

If you buy one it must be WR blue, preferably with gold wheels. It’s kind of like a red Ferrari, yeah its cliche, but if your first Ferrari isn’t red you’ll regret it until you own a red Ferrari.

As far as all the noise about head gaskets, ring lands, etc., those tend to become issues with people who tune the engines to within an inch of their lives and/or don’t bother doing the routine maintenance that any vehicle needs. If it’s going to live life as a DD with maybe an exhaust or something simple for mods you should be fine. If you get a tuner and crank the boost as high as it’ll go without beefing things up you’re going to have a bad time.

Oh yeah, the passenger airbag is the Claymore Edition by Takata that needs to be replaced.

Kinja'd!!!

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > PS9
07/10/2017 at 09:38

I’ve got a ten year old STi that would beg to differ. My list of issues is:
- replace secondary air valve
- replace spark plugs and one coil
- ... that’s all

Do the routine maintenance, don’t do stupid mods and don’t thrash it to within an inch of it’s life and it’ll be fine. If you do stupid mods, beat the crap out of it and don’t bother doing routine maintenance you’re going to have problems, just like with any other car.

Bytemite > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars
07/11/2017 at 19:45

I’m late to this but go 86. The current WRX is impresively ugly and large and heavy. Or go used WRX and get the blobeye.